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 9/23/2009 9:14 AM
 
 Modified By Pumpkinmonkey  on 9/23/2009 1:30:00 PM

This thread is an extension from a previous thread titled, Identity vs Reality.  But as we venture into a different area of Deep Thoughts, I thought I might start a new thread.

Quote from Celeste: There is a tremendous importance in the judgment of our thoughts, or is it a lack of judgement that we need?  I think that if we are guided by our emotions they will tell us one of two things: either makes us feel good, or bad, in harmony with what we want or not.   Now we can elaborate on this further and break down good or in harmony, but the bottom line of the many names of emotions we have weather that be pain, or joy, or anger, or pleasure, they do one or the other make us feel good or bad.  So you are very correct that this is something that will take a universal consciousness, and with out new thought we can not create.

I can see how one might think that I am suggesting that the mind has the answer, but that could not further from my intended destination. Undoubtedly the feelings are a key to finding our path along this way. Yet here is one of the questions that could be considered a Judgment of our thoughts.

How often are my feelings tainted by beliefs of an immature mind? My experience tells me that it is far more than just daily.Here is a thought from my immature mind…. I’m unlucky/looser/failure/unlovable. 

Now to meet me on a regular day, especially if I’m in social work mode, it would be hard to see that this thought skirts the shadows of my being and yet it serfaces through my thoughts regulary.. In general i appear happy, healthy, confidant, some what successful, and certainly loved.. Yet I ask you to imagine how this thought must effect my feelings?  WOW, Often I feel like I'm failing and that its happening to me rather than with me, and certainly not for me?  I could show you my scars to prove it's real, but we know it is not, right?

We all have stuff like this and if it goes unchecked we will be guided right back into the wheel of the hamster cage and thus we have the childishness of our society. One which for the most part said and did little to stop our country from invading, causing grave damage, and occupying a distant country. Yet we know that most people were feeling worse than awful about the whole thing. Then we watched as our government bailed out the banks...... need I go on? 

When do we consider our feelings worth responding to? Which of our feelings are forced back to the shadows? Are any of our feelings bad?

So, with silly ideas recessed in our shadows effecting our choice of our direction,  lets discuss how do we best get guidance from our feelings.

Enjoy what ever happens next......
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 9/30/2009 12:45 PM
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I'm not even sure where to start with this one, again my need to simplify this discussion, I will refer to the last few questions.

When do we consider our feelings worth responding to?
Well so if I just type the first thing that comes to my mind with out filter, it would be all the time.  Our feelings should considered worth responding to all the time, for then we have the oppertunity to shift the thought or emotion.  Everything is a collection of short thoughts/emotions that compile a minute, day, week, life ect.  Not responding to them is the reason we harbor those so called bad emotions/thoughts/feelings what ever term we would like to give them.  Underneath every negative feeling is a need with in you that needs to be met.  Again this is what I meant by how our feelings can guide us.  And interesting enouph I feel the feelings that we tend to force back in the shadow are the ones that we would consider "selfish" (by the term of the saddend mass society), or not approved by others, not necissarily our own belief. But by being sensitive to that feeling we shoved in the showd can only help our true selves emerge.

Are any of our feelings are bad, that is completely subjective, and would relate to my previous paragraph.

So in end we best get guidance from our feeling by paying attention to them, being kind to ourselves, and not so judgemental.  So I hope that I am on the same track, and if not it create an interesting conversation.

C

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 10/6/2009 11:10 PM
 
 Modified By Pumpkinmonkey  on 10/7/2009 2:16:13 AM

Love your response... Seeing as we agree I hope you can forgive me as I pontificate a bit on my favorite topic ....

All of our feelings NEED our attention and in my explorations I have found that each emotion responds directly to an element. Trying to keep this short I will go a few steps with one element and we can talk about the other elements later if someone would like to.

Anger is FIRE. Mismanaged FIRE is destructive painful, dangerous, especially in the hands of the intentionally ignorant or mischevious.... Yet when used for cooking it is seen as more than useful, it is necessary and is especially loved by those who are educated in using the Fire for cooking. Cooking is a step above Burning.

Every element could easily be identified as a tool. Just think of all the things we do with FIRE. Now what good is FIRE if we don't have AIR? It is useless, you get the idea. The better educated we are of each of the elements and how they work together the better we can use FIRE. . Even when the elements appear to be destructive, together they build LIFE. They need each other to build life

Each of our emotions comes out of an element. Every emotion like every element is totally interconnected to the other and depends on the whole for their creative ability. Each interacting with each other in what appears to be a sort of force of balance.

If we have a preference for any element / emotion to the degree of excluding the others we will assuredly show up in a condition that often gets identified as disease. Our conditional personalities find this undesirable effect is often accompanied with pain. That condition which we spend so much time trying to stop, is a beautiful process thats keeping balance. Like a forest fire could be to an imbalanced forest.

The mass of human un-consciousness for generations has been promoting the exclusions of certain emotions because of what they are often accompanied with in their arrival onto the scene. But how are we going to learn to use them if they are not allowed to be just what they are in their infant stages.

Anger is not Negative.... it is simply un-evolved yet still very embraceable. Anger is baby growing up to be Passion.... Those who have never embraced their Anger shall never know their Passion.


Enjoy what ever happens next......
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 10/7/2009 12:05 PM
 

I agree that we should Always be looking to our feelings for guidance... However I believe you cant Only look at your feelings. People who are ruled wholey by their emotions without check are volatile unreliable and impossible to deal with on an ongoing basis because for all the beauty that emotions are- they are also ultimately selfish. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. As discussed in a different thread no amount of intention can remove Self from the balance (and honestly if you could it wouldnt be healthy).

I think feelings are the raw expression of self and to be properly guided by them they must be tempered with experience, reason and context. And acceptance of course. Most of us were taught by society to temper emotions- and often times to far to strong of a degree. The shadowed thoughts and feelings you speak of, I think are sometimes the result of trying to exert too much control over potentially objectionable reactions. I think a certain amount of self doubt comes from our attempts to control ourselves andthe process of coming to the realization that there are other people then ourselves in the world and they must be considered in order to live in society. Some amount of self questioning has to happen for you to temper your reactions with regards to other people. However this subversion of the self is often taken too far to where the Self questions so much it starts to try to deny its existance and its power- for fear of offending. and then it becomes the shadows of which you speak.

What other appropriate place does the questioning of self worth have in making decisions? Doubt leads to caution which sometimes holds you back and sometimes saves you from disaster. In this current world Stress is the predator and we manuever through life focusing on our inner potential rather then outward physicality. Is it any surprise we all cannot avoid self-cautioning? a certain amount has to be considered healthy regardless of the negative implications it feels like it has. If we never questioned our inner ability to do something we may never tell ourselves no- may never take a step back to evaluate the ambitions we have and focus it on what truely matters most to us in our lives. I think Doubt plays a big part in Prioritizing... but of course just like anything else- giving yourself over too it too much and dwelling on mistakes can also lead to stagnation or recession and self sabotage.

I often think: I require no solid reason to be happy , and yet when I am sad or angry I seek constant and concrete reasons for the feeling followed quickly by the desire to come up with a solution for said emotions. Is this Right? On the one hand- feelings of sadness or anger arent exactly pleasant... and so like pain- is it not an indication that something is not quite right in the world? There for having this search for cause/effect/solution is exactly right. However, there can be a sense to this search that somehow these emotions are "wrong" and require a solution to erradicate them. Wouldnt that advocate a need to embrace and accept these emotions that perhaps have an even stronger meaning in our lives than the pleasant ones? isnt is ok to Just Be Upset some days- just like its ok to Just Be Happy?- requiring no further reaction other than simple expression? It is a delicate balance of acceptance and rejection.

I feel like I just spoke in circles.. Must be Lunch time!


Look at the world through the eyes of love and you will see nothing but beauty.
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 10/7/2009 9:23 PM
 
 Modified By Pumpkinmonkey  on 10/8/2009 1:09:53 AM

I often think: I require no solid reason to be happy , and yet when I am sad or angry I seek constant and concrete reasons for the feeling followed quickly by the desire to come up with a solution for said emotions. Is this Right? On the one hand- feelings of sadness or anger aren't exactly pleasant... and so like pain- is it not an indication that something is not quite right in the world? There for having this search for cause/effect/solution is exactly right. However, there can be a sense to this search that somehow these emotions are "wrong" and require a solution to eradicate them. Wouldn't that advocate a need to embrace and accept these emotions that perhaps have an even stronger meaning in our lives than the pleasant ones? isn't is OK to Just Be Upset some days- just like its OK to Just Be Happy?- requiring no further reaction other than simple expression? It is a delicate balance of acceptance and rejection. Quote from Kena

Yes Yes Yes... Happy or better called GLAD is one of the five emotional centers, It comes from the element of AIR. Ahhhh, the freedom of AIR. The easiest to bond with in our physical body. We don't even have to think about it. Every time we return to center we naturally take a breath.

With out the other 4 emotions though GLAD can be just as dysfunctional as MAD. But it is easy to hang out with GLAD. GLAD will not rock the boat, or complain, or try to change, if it is a risk to the comfort.

AIR/GLAD does not change anything by itself, FIRE/MAD changes everything if given the chance. At the chance of change which often means possible discomfort, well we are going to question the hell out of that especially if we are COMFORTABLE with how it is at the moment. So that angry part of you gets sent back to the shadows as it always wants things to change.

There are millions of people out there who are happy with their miserable situations and just don't want things to change.

The immature state GLAD is all about personal COMFORT. We all stay in some form of ignorance because it is comfortable. It often looks like stubbornness. Just examine for a minute how many people you know who are HAPPY with their stubbornness even though it is a pain to themselves if not to most every one else who has to deal with them when they are in it.

Our obsession with comfort is the reason it is so hard to shift our consciousness. How many clients have you given a few simple steps to change their conditions yet they just couldn't get themselves that uncomfortable to take the walk out of their cage and to this day they have the same condition?

Our strong desire for GLAD is the way we are designed into nature, and rightly so. As we become more conscious of being a WE, instead of a me, and take every step inclusive of the WHOLE, then GLAD is a great center to return to because when it matures it is where HEALING happens.

GLAD is the baby and HEALING is what GLAD grows up to be. Healing is not a doing thing in any way, it is a state of BEING PRESENT and Consciously Connected and is a necessary part of the circle.

Inclusiveness is the key and the best education is always Experience.


Enjoy what ever happens next......
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